Early Power11 signals in the kernel
That said, the reputed pressures around Power10 that caused closed IP to be incorporated are hopefully no longer as acute for Power11, and off-the-books discussions I've had suggest IBM internally acknowledges its strategic mistake. That would be good news for Power11, but it's not exactly clear what this means for Solid Silicon and the S1 because S1's entire value proposition is being Power10 without the crap. While S1 will certainly come out before Power11, we still don't know when, and if there's a short window between S1 and a fully open Power11 then S1 could go like Osborne.
"Short" here will be defined in terms of how much work it takes to adapt the Power11 reference system. IBM understandably always likes to sell its launch systems first and exclusively before the chips and designs trickle down. The Talos II and to a lesser extent the Blackbird are a relatively straightforward rework of Romulus (POWER9's reference), so one would think adapting Power11 would similarly require little adjustment, though Romulus used the ASPEED BMC and any Raptor Power11 would undoubtedly use (Ant)arctic Tern/Solid Silicon's X1. In contrast, there'd be a bit more work to port Rainier (Power10) to S1 since the RAM would be direct-attach instead of OMI and there may be differences to account for with PCIe, plus the BMC change. The last estimate we had for the S1 machines was late 2024; putting this all together and assuming that date is at all accurate, such a system may have a year or two on the market before Power11 exits its IBM-exclusive phase.
That could still be worth it, but all of this could be better answered if we had a little more insight into S1 and its progress, and I've still got my feelers out to talk to the Solid Silicon folks. You'll see it here first when I get a bite.
If the Raptor + Solid Silicon Workstations have an affordable Price, like Raptor's Computers used to have I will certainly buy one of them. I hope Vikings GmbH will offer the Computers aswell, otherwise a lot of us in Europe would have to wait forever during shipping and have to do the Customs Process ourselves.
ReplyDeleteAmen. If something happens to my Blackbird once the warranty period ends, I'll have to set up an RMA with Raptor and get it repaired, because there's just no way I could afford two grand for the motherboard alone as it stands now.
ReplyDeleteI agree in hoping Power11 doesn't step on S1's toes.
My take: Announcement at Hot Chips this year. Delivery end of 2025. I guess, S1 will arrive end of 2024. As Toshaan Bharvani said at EuroBSDcon2023
ReplyDeleteI have enormous skepticism that a newly-founded startup will be able to create cost/perf compatible silicon, especially with what seems to be a small team on a short time scale. It's reminicent of LibreSoC and Red Semi, who still haven't delivered. That said, given the price of current POWER9 systems, if POWER11 is even more expensive then there may be a place for the S1 at the bottom if it ever does materialize.
DeleteHopefully Si can help the POWER laptop project become a reality. So even if POWER11 steps on Si’s POWER10’s toes… POWER10 from Si can continue to be optimized for a lower power envelope and be pushed into a laptop design for the various POWER laptop projects to finally be successful.
ReplyDeleteIMO, even if it is Power10 in the Power11 era, I don't see the problem. Even P9 is plenty powerful for 80+% of anything someone might want to do on it, whether as a server or as a workstation.
ReplyDeleteThe S1 cannot be a new development. The S1 is nothing more than a blob-free rebranded Power10.
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